Regarding the Bank of Japan's rate hike in December, I think it's pretty much a done deal. The key question is, combined with the current market hype around the "Greenspan 2.0" narrative, how big of a wave will it actually cause?
Here's my conclusion—Even if there really is a rate hike this time, the market impact will be far less severe than what we saw on August 5 this year. Why? Let's look at the data.
Remember how bad things got on 8.5? The BOJ made a surprise rate hike, and on the Fed's side, employment data triggered the Sahm Rule, causing rate cut expectations to reverse sharply. With both negatives hitting at once, liquidity dried up instantly and the market crashed. I managed to dodge that one by taking profits on July 26.
But this time is different. Last year's flash crash was mainly due to forced liquidations of yen carry trades—leveraged positions shorting yen and going long on the dollar all blew up at once. But now things have changed:
USD/JPY exchange rate: On December 5, the Tokyo session saw it drop from above 155 to 154.56, with the yen appreciating just 0.3%. What does this tell us? Speculative short positions on the yen have already been significantly reduced, and most of the risk has already been released.
Yen carry trade size: Currently estimated at around $1.7 trillion, which is less than half of last year's peak. Most of the money has already pulled out, so where's the panic unwinding going to come from?
I got this data from some AI tools (way more reliable than the chatter on Twitter), and they've been quite helpful as references.
On the other hand, the market started going wild this week with the hype about Hassett as the "shadow Fed chair," and on Monday there were even rumors that Powell was going to resign, which sent "Greenspan 2.0 easing trade" expectations through the roof.
I usually use macro trends for direction and look at candlesticks for entry points. I opened a BTC short at the 93203 level—had a short-term position of 10 coins. But due to an API setting error, my entire position got liquidated, and I had to cut the short at 89200 to stop the loss.
Nothing to brag about here—after getting liquidated, my mindset took a hit and I didn't feel like opening a new position right away.
But this did remind me: every trade requires independent thinking. Don't let the shadow of your last trade influence your next one. As the market environment changes, your strategy needs to change too.
One last thing—if you really have no clue on macro calls, I suggest consulting some reliable AI analysis tools. It's a lot better than blindly copying trades.
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NeverPresent
· 22h ago
August 5 was truly a nightmare, the yen carry trade exploded directly, but this time it feels not so severe.
I'm convinced about the API error liquidation issue; details determine life or death.
Greenspan 2.0 being so hotly discussed makes me a bit cautious. Usually, the peak of public opinion is the most dangerous.
The yen only appreciated by 0.3%, which indeed suggests that the risk has been largely released, and the logic holds.
After a mental breakdown, doubling down is the easiest way to lose money. This point is correct; wait until emotions settle before re-entering.
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SybilSlayer
· 12-12 05:13
Another "This time it's different" argument, why don't I believe it
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I was also in that wave of 88, and now it just looks like a near-total wipeout
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API error causing full liquidation, these details are so realistic haha
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The yen carry trade is 1.7 trillion, feels like a ticking time bomb
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Rather than asking AI tools, it's better to observe the market and feel the fluctuations yourself
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Greenspan 2.0 meme is stale, does anyone still believe it?
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Cut from 93203 to 89200, this mentality definitely needs adjustment
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From a macro perspective, I've heard this theory too many times, still have to listen to the market
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The yen only appreciated by 0.3%, is it really that optimistic, old brother
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Deconstructionist
· 12-09 23:17
Well, I was in the 8.5 wave too. Looking at this central bank rate hike now, it doesn't seem as risky anymore. The main thing is that most of the leveraged positions have already been cleared, so it's not that easy to crash.
I've experienced API errors causing liquidations myself. Adjusting your mindset is really the hardest part—it's even worse than losing money.
The yen only appreciated by 0.3%. What does this data tell us? The risks from carry trades have already been digested, and the market isn't that fragile anymore.
That whole Greenspan 2.0 narrative is really hyped up, but we need to see what the Fed actually does. You can't just listen to rumors.
Honestly, relying on AI tools for macro analysis is definitely more reliable than blindly copy-trading. At least the logic is clearer.
Opening a short at 93203 was really unlucky. Oh well, time to start fresh with the next trade—don't let the last one drag you down.
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NightAirdropper
· 12-09 23:17
Bro, this analysis does make some sense, but I think you’re overestimating how rational the market is.
Once people start to panic, the data becomes meaningless.
I have a lot of experience with getting liquidated—your mindset is your biggest enemy. Keep it up.
Is the yen carry trade really almost dead? Feels like the risk is still brewing.
Shorting 10 coins at 93203—that’s a big move, bro.
The macro situation is definitely hard to judge, you still have to rely on yourself and keep learning and thinking.
Making a rookie mistake like API errors is really painful, should’ve switched to a more stable exchange earlier.
The “Greenspan 2.0” meme really got overhyped this week.
Actually, this round is fundamentally different from what happened in August—the market is already mentally prepared.
Don’t dwell too much on getting liquidated, what’s more important is how you plan your next move.
If your mindset is collapsing, just stop trading for a few days and take a break.
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GateUser-addcaaf7
· 12-09 23:08
Hassett 2.0 has such high expectations, but it still feels a bit hollow.
Yen carry trade is only 1.7 trillion, with so much risk already released—no wonder this wave isn’t as fierce as August.
API error caused a full liquidation—bro, that must’ve been a huge collapse. I feel bad for you.
Instead of blindly guessing whether Powell will resign, it’s better to keep an eye on the 154 level.
The December central bank rate hike was set long ago; the real question is how the market will play it.
The yen only appreciated 0.3%. Seems like there really aren’t many shorting the yen—kinda boring.
After liquidation, a broken mindset and no new ideas—this is a real test, bro.
With so many macro variables, just looking at candlestick charts is outdated.
The August wave was a real blow; this time it just feels like a minor disturbance at best.
Rumors are everywhere, and the reliability of AI tools really isn’t guaranteed.
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SandwichVictim
· 12-09 23:06
Haha, this guy is at least honest. Even after getting liquidated, he can still calmly analyze things—way better than those who brag about their trades every day.
The API error thing is just wild, no wonder your mindset collapsed.
But you said the yen risk has mostly been released. I still feel like it's a bit risky.
This whole "Greenspan 2.0" narrative is just pure hype—retail traders love to buy into that.
Seriously, nobody listens to the whole "think independently" advice—everyone just wants to get rich quick with short-term trades.
The exchange rate only dropped 0.3%, which does show that most speculative positions have been wiped out. That logic is sound.
Right now, the market is full of rumors. Even brainless news like Powell resigning can pump the market—hilarious.
Your 10-coin short position, honestly, is pretty risky, but at least you cut your losses in time.
This rate hike at most just causes some volatility—nowhere near as brutal as August. Your judgment should be fine.
Instead of reading those trash analyses on Twitter every day, you might as well trust AI—it’s at least more logically consistent.
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LiquidationWatcher
· 12-09 23:04
honestly the BOJ move ain't gonna hit like aug 5 did... but that API error story hits different. lost 10 coins on a setup error? nah that's the stuff that keeps you up at 3am checking health factors
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GasFeeSobber
· 12-09 22:50
Damn, it's the old carry trade trick again. Do you really think you can repeat what happened on August 5th?
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API error caused a full liquidation. How hyped do you have to be to make such a rookie mistake, haha.
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The yen only appreciated by 0.3%. Sure, most of the risk has been released, but rumors often hit the market harder than real data.
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The Greenspan 2.0 expectation is basically the market betting on easing, but when the critical moment comes, it still ends up a complete mess.
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No wonder they say don’t copy trades. With this level of independent thinking, you really are clearer-headed than most people.
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The $1.7 trillion carry trade position is still there—now that's the real ticking time bomb.
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Opened a short at 93203, closed it at 89200—how did you calculate that trade? It’s no wonder your mentality collapsed.
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So many people clueless about macro trends should have learned to use tools to replace their brains a long time ago.
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This rate hike from the Bank of Japan looks purely like a test run to me—the real impact is yet to come.
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Every time people talk about independent thinking, but as soon as the market tanks, they forget everything. Honestly, it still all comes down to luck.
Regarding the Bank of Japan's rate hike in December, I think it's pretty much a done deal. The key question is, combined with the current market hype around the "Greenspan 2.0" narrative, how big of a wave will it actually cause?
Here's my conclusion—Even if there really is a rate hike this time, the market impact will be far less severe than what we saw on August 5 this year. Why? Let's look at the data.
Remember how bad things got on 8.5? The BOJ made a surprise rate hike, and on the Fed's side, employment data triggered the Sahm Rule, causing rate cut expectations to reverse sharply. With both negatives hitting at once, liquidity dried up instantly and the market crashed. I managed to dodge that one by taking profits on July 26.
But this time is different. Last year's flash crash was mainly due to forced liquidations of yen carry trades—leveraged positions shorting yen and going long on the dollar all blew up at once. But now things have changed:
USD/JPY exchange rate: On December 5, the Tokyo session saw it drop from above 155 to 154.56, with the yen appreciating just 0.3%. What does this tell us? Speculative short positions on the yen have already been significantly reduced, and most of the risk has already been released.
Yen carry trade size: Currently estimated at around $1.7 trillion, which is less than half of last year's peak. Most of the money has already pulled out, so where's the panic unwinding going to come from?
I got this data from some AI tools (way more reliable than the chatter on Twitter), and they've been quite helpful as references.
On the other hand, the market started going wild this week with the hype about Hassett as the "shadow Fed chair," and on Monday there were even rumors that Powell was going to resign, which sent "Greenspan 2.0 easing trade" expectations through the roof.
I usually use macro trends for direction and look at candlesticks for entry points. I opened a BTC short at the 93203 level—had a short-term position of 10 coins. But due to an API setting error, my entire position got liquidated, and I had to cut the short at 89200 to stop the loss.
Nothing to brag about here—after getting liquidated, my mindset took a hit and I didn't feel like opening a new position right away.
But this did remind me: every trade requires independent thinking. Don't let the shadow of your last trade influence your next one. As the market environment changes, your strategy needs to change too.
One last thing—if you really have no clue on macro calls, I suggest consulting some reliable AI analysis tools. It's a lot better than blindly copying trades.